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Cooling fan

Yahoo Message Number: 17915
I have been trying to trouble shoot a one event over temp problem on my 04 Intrigue. Hit 224 degrees over LaVeta Pass on a 87 degree day.
Unfortunately I have limited knowledge of the fan operation. It seems that it should idle until a certain temp before it engages at a high speed. I don't know what that temp is but probably around 205.
Haven't been able to reach that temp in a static situation so I can't tell for sure if it comes on at the right time (temp). It does, however, come on when the AC is turned on so we know it works in that mode just as it should. So, any ideas? Is the fan a two speed or a variable speed. I know it is somewhat variable with engine RPM (therefore hydraulic flow) but is it supposed to have a fixed low speed and a high speed. And, finally, when it does go to high speed what is the trip that initiates it?

Lyle Wetherholt
04 Intrigue 11740

Re: Cooling fan

Reply #1
Yahoo Message Number: 17928
Lyle, as I understand my wiring diagram there are three events that can trigger the high fan speed.
1. Coolant temperature.
2. Transmission fluid temperature
3. Chassis Air Conditioner condenser temperature

I don't know the trigger point for any of them but I find it interesting that I have just had the same problem that you describe and in the same location. I crossed LaVeta pass on August 5th just after a thunderstorm. The temp had cooled to about 70 so I turned the dash air to vent from A/C. I noticed the coolant temps were getting higher than normal....at one time reaching 215 where I normaly do not exceed 202. The next morning crossing Kansas at about 70 degrees I saw that the coolant temp ran from a low of 199 to a high of 215 where normal for me had been 191 to 202. Turned the A/C on and sure enough temps came down to range 187-195.

I don't know what I learned from this except that I suspect the coolant temp trigger switch for the fan may be going bad.
Lyle, I know I havn't answered your question. I have simply restated from the perspective of my similar experience. I hope that someone else may have an answer that can guide both of us.

George Sanders
'04 Allure 31038

Quote from: Lyle Wetherholt
> I have been trying to trouble shoot a one event over temp problem on > my 04 Intrigue. Hit 224 degrees over LaVeta Pass on a 87 degree

day.

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Unfortunately I have limited knowledge of the fan operation. It > seems that it should idle until a certain temp before it engages at

a

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high speed. I don't know what that temp is but probably around

205.

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Haven't been able to reach that temp in a static situation so I

can't

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tell for sure if it comes on at the right time (temp). It does, > however, come on when the AC is turned on so we know it works in

that
George in Birmingham
2003 Magna 6298

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Reply #2
Yahoo Message Number: 17929
[Country-Coach-Owners] Re: Cooling fan Do you gents have C-13s? If so, have you had the cooling mods done?

D Bradley

04 Intrigue 11830

At 5:34 PM +0000 8/17/05, George Sanders wrote:

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Reply #3
Yahoo Message Number: 17931
Quote from: Dick Bradley
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George, Dick

I have the Cummins ISL 400. George, unlike an auto whereby you would normally turn off the AC to relieve engine load and thus gain cooling, on our rigs turning the AC on will initiate the high speed on the fan.
So, that explains why you dropped to 187 or so when you turned the AC on. I learned from CC today that RPM is also a trigger point and that it is programable. So, if the RPM is set too high and you are pulling up a steep grade and can't reach that RPM level comfortably the fan may not come on. We will be going to the Oregon rally and have the RPM level checked there and if too high we will have it reset to a lower RPM to turn the fan on sooner. Thanks to both of you for the input.
Lyle

04 Intrigue 11740

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Reply #4
Yahoo Message Number: 17932
I also have the Cummins ISL 400 but had just the opposite problem. The engine wouldn't heat up. From Minnesota to Oregon never got over 185deg. They reprogramed the fan controller and it has been working fine. Just a thought. Maybe not related.

Gordon & Fay Hertz

03 Intrigue First Avenue

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Yahoo Message Number: 17933
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Gordon,

Thanks, all input is valuable. I would have been happy with 185 instead of 224.

Lyle Wetherholt
Intrigue 11740

I also have the Cummins ISL 400 but had just the opposite problem.
The engine

wouldn't heat up. From Minnesota to Oregon never got over 185deg. They > reprogramed the fan controller and it has been working fine. Just a thought. Maybe
not related.

Gordon & Fay Hertz

03 Intrigue First Avenue

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Reply #6
Yahoo Message Number: 17936
Lyle, yes I knew that the A/C switch was helping with the cooling issue. This ISL400 simply changed the point at which the high speed fan is triggered by coolant temp. May be coolant temp switch and may be programming. I have other engine work to have done (persistant fuel leaks) so will have that looked at by Cummins here in Birmingham AL.

George Sanders
'04 Allure 31038

Quote from: Lyle Wetherholt
[quote author=Dick Bradley

George, Dick

I have the Cummins ISL 400. George, unlike an auto whereby you would > normally turn off the AC to relieve engine load and thus gain cooling, > on our rigs turning the AC on will initiate the high speed on the fan.
 So, that explains why you dropped to 187 or so when you turned the AC > on. I learned from CC today that RPM is also a trigger point and that > it is programable. So, if the RPM is set too high and you are pulling > up a steep grade and can't reach that RPM level comfortably the fan > may not come on. We will be going to the Oregon rally and have the > RPM level checked there and if too high we will have it reset to a > lower RPM to turn the fan on sooner. Thanks to both of you for the

input.

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Lyle

04 Intrigue 11740

> Do you gents have C-13s? If so, have you had the cooling mods done? > >

> D Bradley

> 04 Intrigue 11830
>
>
>

> At 5:34 PM +0000 8/17/05, George Sanders wrote: > > >Lyle, as I understand my wiring diagram there are three events that > > >can trigger the high fan speed.
> >1. Coolant temperature.

> >2. Transmission fluid temperature > > >3. Chassis Air Conditioner condenser temperature > > >

> >I don't know the trigger point for any of them but I find it > > >interesting that I have just had the same problem that you describe > > >and in the same location. I crossed LaVeta pass on August 5th just > > >after a thunderstorm. The temp had cooled to about 70 so I turned > > >the dash air to vent from A/C. I noticed the coolant temps were > > >getting higher than normal....at one time reaching 215 where I > > >normaly do not exceed 202. The next morning crossing Kansas at about > > >70 degrees I saw that the coolant temp ran from a low of 199 to a > > >high of 215 where normal for me had been 191 to 202. Turned the A/C > > >on and sure enough temps came down to range 187-195.
> >

> >I don't know what I learned from this except that I suspect the > > >coolant temp trigger switch for the fan may be going bad.
> >

> >Lyle, I know I havn't answered your question. I have simply restated > > >from the perspective of my similar experience. I hope that someone > > >else may have an answer that can guide both of us.
> >

> >George Sanders
> >'04 Allure 31038
> >
> >

[quote author=Lyle Wetherholt"
> >]
> >> I have been trying to trouble shoot a one event over temp

problem on

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>> my 04 Intrigue. Hit 224 degrees over LaVeta Pass on a 87 degree > > >day.

> >> Unfortunately I have limited knowledge of the fan operation. It > > >> seems that it should idle until a certain temp before it

engages at

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>a

> >> high speed. I don't know what that temp is but probably around > > >205.

> >> Haven't been able to reach that temp in a static situation so I > > >can't

> >> tell for sure if it comes on at the right time (temp). It does, > > >> however, come on when the AC is turned on so we know it works in > > >that

> >> mode just as it should. So, any ideas? Is the fan a two speed

or a

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>> variable speed. I know it is somewhat variable with engine RPM > > >> (therefore hydraulic flow) but is it supposed to have a fixed low > > >> speed and a high speed. And, finally, when it does go to high

speed
George in Birmingham
2003 Magna 6298

Cooling fan

Reply #7
Yahoo Message Number: 36338

40'allure 2004 CCI 5526

From the get go I had heat problems with trany and coolant running over 200 constantly. In 2005 at home coming saw a fellow who had put a screen in back engine access door. Got Rutherford to get me one as is used on Inspire [ I believe]. Was no problem to install. Since my temps stay below 200 even climbing the Cahon Pass on Rte 15 or the one out of Palm springs on Rte 10. My wife likes it now as her closet is not near as hot. Should you like to see a picture let me know...............Carl

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Yahoo Message Number: 36340
Hi Carl, I would very much like to see a picture of the modification. Please email me a copy at "subantmn@..."

Earl Densten

03 Intrigue 11554

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Reply #9
Yahoo Message Number: 36349
Quote from: CARL NIELSEN\[br\
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40'allure 2004 CCI 5526

From the get go I had heat problems with trany and coolant
running over 200 constantly. In 2005 at home coming saw a fellow who had put a screen in back engine access door. Got Rutherford to get me one as is used on Inspire [ I believe]. Was no problem to install.
Since my temps stay below 200 even climbing the Cahon Pass on Rte 15 or the one out of Palm springs on Rte 10. My wife likes it now as her closet is not near as hot. Should you like to see a picture let me know...............Carl

 
Carl,

I would like to see the picture of the screen. I have an inspire 06 400 cat. engine and it runs close to 200 degrees and over. What kind of screen is it and how does it help with the cooling? My email address is cci0642@... Thanks,
Lou

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Yahoo Message Number: 36353
I would also like to see a picture. punch 106 at starband dot net.

Judy

2006 Inspire 51706
400 CAT


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Reply #12
Yahoo Message Number: 36367
Who told you that your CAT should run under 200 all the time? What do you think is "normal" coolant temp? I mean if it does it all the time I suppose that might be weird, but depending on air temperature, hilly terrain, etc., I thought that low 200's are normal. Mine does that all the time. It then drops down into the upper 180's as terrain changes. Also, I notice that in hot weather, putting on the dash air drops the engine temp by ten degrees or so.

Rich

2002 Magna 6148

Quote from: loubuffone
[quote author=CARL NIELSEN

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> 40'allure 2004 CCI 5526

> From the get go I had heat problems with trany and coolant > running over 200 constantly. In 2005 at home coming saw a fellow

who

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had put a screen in back engine access door. Got Rutherford to get

me

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one as is used on Inspire [ I believe]. Was no problem to install.
Since my temps stay below 200 even climbing the Cahon Pass on Rte

15 or

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the one out of Palm springs on Rte 10. My wife likes it now as her > closet is not near as hot. Should you like to see a picture let me > know...............Carl
>
Carl,

I would like to see the picture of the screen. I have an inspire 06

400

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cat. engine and it runs close to 200 degrees and over. What kind

of

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screen is it and how does it help with the cooling? My email

address

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Reply #13
Yahoo Message Number: 36373
Carl,

Why is running over 200 a problem? All my vehicles run at 204 degrees
F. Caterpillar fan does not increase speed till 208 & that only on some
hills. Allison limit is 265. Nothing I have read in Cat web & Cat manual says 204 is not normal temperature. Nothing I have read on CATRVCLUB@yahoogroups.com says 204 is not a good normal temperature.

Another way to increase air flow in engine bay of Inspire is getting rid of large muffler. Mack sells a $85 muffler that is much smaller than my Cat muffler. It is standard frame mounted muffler for most of Mack truck line. I think exhaust pressure would be reduced, turbo pressure would increase faster, weight would be less & cooling fan high speed time would be reduced.

Some coaches that have experienced wiring failures due to large hot muffler near wiring might be more reliable with Mack muffler.
I have also considered adding a forward facing vent atop rear cap to force cool air in just above rear camera. My camera has heat problem.
Vent would also let engine heat escape when engine stops. Bedroom would be cooler.

My Inspire has louvered & screened engine bay door but bedroom heat lasts several hours after engine stops.

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God Bless You,

Eric Lee Elliott
5 Inspire 51321

Caterpillar C9 400 HP

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40'allure 2004 CCI 5526

> From the get go I had heat problems with trany and coolant
running over 200 constantly. In 2005 at home coming saw a fellow who had put a screen in back engine access door. Got Rutherford to get me one as is used on Inspire [ I believe]. Was no problem to install.
Since my temps stay below 200 even climbing the Cahon Pass on Rte 15 or the one out of Palm springs on Rte 10. My wife likes it now as her closet is not near as hot. Should you like to see a picture let me know...............Carl