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SilverLeaf VMSpc

Yahoo Message Number: 2375
Just received the VMSpc from SilverLeaf. I figured I would get the interface cable with a connector that plugs into the rectangular 12 pin dianogistic connector just above and to the left of the steering column on the forward bulkhead. Receive the interface cable with a round 6 pin Deutsch connector. Round peg won't fit in rectangle hole.

I called Silver Leaf and they advised that all country Coaches use the round connector and it is somewhere in the front part of the coach. I have looked under the dash, in the compartment in the left control console, the compartment in the dash on the passenger side and even in the hydraulic/air service compartment below the driver.
Nothing that I can see that will fit the round connector. I called Country Coach and they said it was in the side compartment in the control console to the left of the driver's seat. I looked again and see nothing. Anyone have any ideas or use the VMSpc on their coach? Where is the darn connector? If it is not there how did you connect it? SilverLeaf did not even send any schematics. For $400 you would expect a little more professionally manufactured interface cable harness. Wire markings rub off, poor strain relief at cable connectors, wires bundled together using cable ties every 18 inches instead of a sleeve covering everything.

Jim Hughes

Jacksonville, FL

2000 Allure Chandler 40' #30511

Re: SilverLeaf VMSpc

Reply #1 –
Yahoo Message Number: 2377
Jim, there is a round key receptacle to the left of the drivers seat on the slope of the hump. There is a small key that fits it and I assume that is what you are looking for. Do you have the pushbutton gears on top of the console? Follow that hump to the rear and then down the slope and you should come to the round receptacle.
On Fri, 26 Jul 2002 00:17:10 -0000 "kc4fws" kc4fws@...> writes:

Re: SilverLeaf VMSpc

Reply #2 –
Yahoo Message Number: 2379
Quote from: Lewis
Jim, there is a round key receptacle to the left of the drivers

seat on

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the slope of the hump. There is a small key that fits it and I

assume

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that is what you are looking for. Do you have the pushbutton gears

on

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top of the console

Mike

The key recepticle you speak of I think is the ECM reset and not a connector. I talked to someone else at CC after I sent this email and they advised that they splice it into the rectangular connector's wire harness. Go figure. Now I need the pin out, schematic or nomenclature for each wire in the VMSpc cable harness.

Right now, trying to get SilverLeaf to answer the mail or return phone call. Everything should work once I figure this part out.
Just frustrating. Would like to get it all installed as a project for Saturday.

thanks for the reply

Jim Hughes

Jacksonville, FL

2000 Allure 40' #30511

Re: SilverLeaf VMSpc

Reply #3 –
Yahoo Message Number: 2380
Good luck! Sorry my idea was not the item you were looking for. Do not rush! If you are not able to accomplish it on Saturday big deal! Better then making some incorrect splices and/or cuts!!! On Fri, 26 Jul 2002 10:24:33 -0000 "kc4fws" kc4fws@...> writes:

Re: SilverLeaf VMSpc

Reply #4 –
Yahoo Message Number: 13729
Found the following post while reading old posts. I too am interested in getting the VMSpc for my rig and have not found a round plug in the area around the driver, has anyone found the round plug or is everyone using the retangular plug use by Allison folks when checking electronics for the transmission? Also, have you found the VMSpc a valuable addition?

Travman

2000 Intrigue 11040

Quote from: kc4fws
Just received the VMSpc from SilverLeaf. I figured I would get

the

Quote
interface cable with a connector that plugs into the rectangular

12

Quote
pin dianogistic connector just above and to the left of the

steering

Quote
column on the forward bulkhead. Receive the interface cable with

a

Quote
round 6 pin Deutsch connector. Round peg won't fit in rectangle > hole.

I called Silver Leaf and they advised that all country Coaches use > the round connector and it is somewhere in the front part of the > coach. I have looked under the dash, in the compartment in the

left

Quote
control console, the compartment in the dash on the passenger side > and even in the hydraulic/air service compartment below the

driver.

Quote
Nothing that I can see that will fit the round connector. I

called

Quote
Country Coach and they said it was in the side compartment in the > control console to the left of the driver's seat. I looked again

and

Quote
see nothing. Anyone have any ideas or use the VMSpc on their

coach?

Quote
Where is the darn connector? If it is not there how did you

connect

Quote
it? SilverLeaf did not even send any schematics. For $400 you

would

Quote
expect a little more professionally manufactured interface cable > harness. Wire markings rub off, poor strain relief at cable > connectors, wires bundled together using cable ties every 18

inches

Re: SilverLeaf VMSpc

Reply #5 –
Yahoo Message Number: 13730
Hi Jim,

In many threads I have discussed the use of the $400 box.
First I found the round connector hanging out on one side of the 3" square column that is about 7 inches behind the steering column and about 13' up from the carpet, it may have been tucked inside the barrier.

I added shrink tubing and plastic tie wraps at the connector ends for reinforcement. I use winXP pro and size the screen to get 4 displays simutaneously - Street Atlas 2005, Silverleaf, tanks quantities and Opera via Wifi when in distance. I like the $400 box approach and the applicaion is free and is periodically updated with the latest displays and user inputs based on his user group's requests - be sure to join his user group.
Fred Kovol

2000 Allure 30593

Quote from: travman100

Re: SilverLeaf VMSpc

Reply #6 –
Yahoo Message Number: 13731
In my Inspire, the connector was located behind an opening under the transmission shifter buttons and other switches by the drivr's seat.
Maybe they did that to your coach also, Jim?

Also...Users group...is it a Yahoo group? Sure could use some contact with other users of the program.

Carol

'04 Inspire 51046

Quote
Hi Jim,

In many threads I have discussed the use of the $400 box.
First I found the round connector hanging out on one side of the

3"

Quote
square column that is about 7 inches behind the steering column and > about 13' up from the carpet, it may have been tucked inside the > barrier.

I added shrink tubing and plastic tie wraps at the connector ends

for

Quote
reinforcement. I use winXP pro and size the screen to get 4

displays

Quote
simutaneously - Street Atlas 2005, Silverleaf, tanks quantities and > Opera via Wifi when in distance. I like the $400 box approach and

the

Quote
applicaion is free and is periodically updated with the latest > displays and user inputs based on his user group's requests - be

sure

Quote
to join his user group.
Fred Kovol

2000 Allure 30593

[quote author=travman100"

>

> Found the following post while reading old posts. I too am > > interested in getting the VMSpc for my rig and have not found a > > round plug in the area around the driver, has anyone found the

round

Quote
plug or is everyone using the retangular plug use by Allison

folks

Quote
when checking electronics for the transmission? Also, have you

found

Quote
the VMSpc a valuable addition? > >

> Travman

> 2000 Intrigue 11040
>
>

Quote from: kc4fws"[/quote
Quote
]
> > Just received the VMSpc from SilverLeaf. I figured I would get > > the

> > interface cable with a connector that plugs into the

rectangular

Quote
12

> > pin dianogistic connector just above and to the left of the > > steering

> > column on the forward bulkhead. Receive the interface cable

with

Quote
a

> > round 6 pin Deutsch connector. Round peg won't fit in

rectangle

Quote
> hole.
> >

> > I called Silver Leaf and they advised that all country Coaches

use

Quote
> the round connector and it is somewhere in the front part of

the

Quote
> coach. I have looked under the dash, in the compartment in the > > left

> > control console, the compartment in the dash on the passenger

side

Quote
> and even in the hydraulic/air service compartment below the > > driver.

> > Nothing that I can see that will fit the round connector. I > > called

> > Country Coach and they said it was in the side compartment in

the

Quote
> control console to the left of the driver's seat. I looked

again

Quote
and

> > see nothing. Anyone have any ideas or use the VMSpc on their > > coach?

> > Where is the darn connector? If it is not there how did you > > connect

> > it? SilverLeaf did not even send any schematics. For $400 you > > would

> > expect a little more professionally manufactured interface

cable

Re: SilverLeaf VMSpc

Reply #7 –
Yahoo Message Number: 13736
The round diagnostic plug was located just above the accelerator pedal on my coach.

The link to the VMSPC forum is:

http://www.simply-smarter.com/
Bill Harris

03 Allure 1st Ave 30912

Quote from: jennylindca
In my Inspire, the connector was located behind an opening under

the

Quote
transmission shifter buttons and other switches by the drivr's

seat.

Quote
Maybe they did that to your coach also, Jim? >

Also...Users group...is it a Yahoo group? Sure could use some > contact with other users of the program.

Carol

'04 Inspire 51046

> Hi Jim,

> In many threads I have discussed the use of the $400 box.
> First I found the round connector hanging out on one side of the > 3"

> square column that is about 7 inches behind the steering column

and

Quote
about 13' up from the carpet, it may have been tucked inside the > > barrier.

> I added shrink tubing and plastic tie wraps at the connector ends > for

> reinforcement. I use winXP pro and size the screen to get 4 > displays

> simutaneously - Street Atlas 2005, Silverleaf, tanks quantities

and

Quote
Opera via Wifi when in distance. I like the $400 box approach and > the

> applicaion is free and is periodically updated with the latest > > displays and user inputs based on his user group's requests - be > sure

> to join his user group.
> Fred Kovol

> 2000 Allure 30593
>
>

[quote author=travman100"
>]
> >

> > Found the following post while reading old posts. I too am > > > interested in getting the VMSpc for my rig and have not found a > > > round plug in the area around the driver, has anyone found the > round

> > plug or is everyone using the retangular plug use by Allison > folks

> > when checking electronics for the transmission? Also, have you > found

> > the VMSpc a valuable addition? > > >

> > Travman

> > 2000 Intrigue 11040
> >
> >

[quote author=kc4fws"

> >]
> > > Just received the VMSpc from SilverLeaf. I figured I would

get

Quote
> the

> > > interface cable with a connector that plugs into the > rectangular
> > 12

> > > pin dianogistic connector just above and to the left of the > > > steering

> > > column on the forward bulkhead. Receive the interface cable > with
> > a

> > > round 6 pin Deutsch connector. Round peg won't fit in > rectangle
> > > hole.
> > >

> > > I called Silver Leaf and they advised that all country

Coaches

Quote
use

> > > the round connector and it is somewhere in the front part of > the

> > > coach. I have looked under the dash, in the compartment in

the

Quote
> left

> > > control console, the compartment in the dash on the passenger > side

> > > and even in the hydraulic/air service compartment below the > > > driver.

> > > Nothing that I can see that will fit the round connector. I > > > called

> > > Country Coach and they said it was in the side compartment in > the

> > > control console to the left of the driver's seat. I looked > again
> > and

> > > see nothing. Anyone have any ideas or use the VMSpc on their > > > coach?

> > > Where is the darn connector? If it is not there how did you > > > connect

> > > it? SilverLeaf did not even send any schematics. For $400

you

Re: SilverLeaf VMSpc

Reply #8 –
Yahoo Message Number: 13737
Has anyone located the roung plug for the VMspc on a '99 Allure?

Thanks,

Egon

'99 Allure #30321
'02 Tahoe Z71

Quote from: Bill Harris
The round diagnostic plug was located just above the accelerator
pedal on my coach.

The link to the VMSPC forum is:

http://www.simply-smarter.com/ > Bill Harris

03 Allure 1st Ave 30912

[quote author=jennylindca"

>

> In my Inspire, the connector was located behind an opening under > the

> transmission shifter buttons and other switches by the drivr's > seat.

> Maybe they did that to your coach also, Jim? > >

> Also...Users group...is it a Yahoo group? Sure could use some > > contact with other users of the program.
>

> Carol

> '04 Inspire 51046
>
>

> > Hi Jim,

> > In many threads I have discussed the use of the $400 box.
> > First I found the round connector hanging out on one side of

the

Quote
3"

> > square column that is about 7 inches behind the steering

column

Quote
and

> > about 13' up from the carpet, it may have been tucked inside

the

Quote
> barrier.

> > I added shrink tubing and plastic tie wraps at the connector

ends

Quote
for

> > reinforcement. I use winXP pro and size the screen to get 4 > > displays

> > simutaneously - Street Atlas 2005, Silverleaf, tanks

quantities

Quote
and

> > Opera via Wifi when in distance. I like the $400 box approach

and

Quote
the

> > applicaion is free and is periodically updated with the latest > > > displays and user inputs based on his user group's requests -

be

Quote
sure

> > to join his user group.
> > Fred Kovol

> > 2000 Allure 30593
> >
> >

[quote author=travman100"
> >]
> > >

> > > Found the following post while reading old posts. I too am > > > > interested in getting the VMSpc for my rig and have not

found a

Quote
> > round plug in the area around the driver, has anyone found

the

Quote
round

> > > plug or is everyone using the retangular plug use by Allison > > folks

> > > when checking electronics for the transmission? Also, have

you

Quote
found

> > > the VMSpc a valuable addition? > > > >

> > > Travman

> > > 2000 Intrigue 11040
> > >
> > >

[quote author=kc4fws"
>

> > >]
> > > > Just received the VMSpc from SilverLeaf. I figured I

would

Quote
get
> > > the

> > > > interface cable with a connector that plugs into the > > rectangular
> > > 12

> > > > pin dianogistic connector just above and to the left of

the

Quote
> > steering

> > > > column on the forward bulkhead. Receive the interface

cable

Quote
with
> > > a

> > > > round 6 pin Deutsch connector. Round peg won't fit in > > rectangle
> > > > hole.
> > > >

> > > > I called Silver Leaf and they advised that all country > Coaches
> use

> > > > the round connector and it is somewhere in the front part

of

Quote
the

> > > > coach. I have looked under the dash, in the compartment

in

Quote
the
> > > left

> > > > control console, the compartment in the dash on the

passenger

Quote
side

> > > > and even in the hydraulic/air service compartment below

the

Quote
> > driver.

> > > > Nothing that I can see that will fit the round connector.

I

Quote
> > called

> > > > Country Coach and they said it was in the side compartment

in

Quote
the

> > > > control console to the left of the driver's seat. I

looked

Quote
again
> > > and

> > > > see nothing. Anyone have any ideas or use the VMSpc on

their

Quote
> > coach?

> > > > Where is the darn connector? If it is not there how did

you

Quote
> > connect

> > > > it? SilverLeaf did not even send any schematics. For

$400

Quote
you
> > > would

> > > > expect a little more professionally manufactured interface > > cable

> > > > harness. Wire markings rub off, poor strain relief at

cable

Quote
> > > connectors, wires bundled together using cable ties every

18

Re: SilverLeaf VMSpc

Reply #9 –
Yahoo Message Number: 13739
I thought VMspc was for electronic engines only. Am I wrong on this?

Oliver
---

Re: SilverLeaf VMSpc

Reply #10 –
Yahoo Message Number: 13762
Bill, Thanks for the information. How are you and Lenore doing...you should be getting your new coach soon...when? We will be back in JC the middle of February, maybe we'll see you there. Well, have Happy Holidays and a wonderful, healthy, and joyous New Year for 2005. Candace and Dale Hollick Affinity # 6370

Re: SilverLeaf VMSpc

Reply #11 –
Yahoo Message Number: 13828
Travman,

Since I wrote that post I have intergrated the VMSpc successfully.
The round plug in my coach is only located to the aft bay on the passenger bay where the fuel filters are located. The rectangle plug under the dash is tied into the same ECM data stream system.
Since Sliverleaf did not provide any interface connector, I cut off their interface connector and tapped into the wiring. Works great! Especially while on a 3 month trip and the coolant temp sensor went out. I was able to monitor the temp using the VMSpc until I was able to replace the sensor.
Jim

2000 Allure #30511

Quote from: travman100
Found the following post while reading old posts. I too am > interested in getting the VMSpc for my rig and have not found a > round plug in the area around the driver, has anyone found the

round

Quote
plug or is everyone using the retangular plug use by Allison folks > when checking electronics for the transmission? Also, have you

found

Quote
the VMSpc a valuable addition? >

Travman

2000 Intrigue 11040

Quote from: kc4fws"[/quote
Quote
>]
> Just received the VMSpc from SilverLeaf. I figured I would get > the

> interface cable with a connector that plugs into the rectangular > 12

> pin dianogistic connector just above and to the left of the > steering

> column on the forward bulkhead. Receive the interface cable

with

Quote
a

> round 6 pin Deutsch connector. Round peg won't fit in rectangle > > hole.
>

> I called Silver Leaf and they advised that all country Coaches

use

Quote
the round connector and it is somewhere in the front part of the > > coach. I have looked under the dash, in the compartment in the > left

> control console, the compartment in the dash on the passenger

side

Quote
and even in the hydraulic/air service compartment below the > driver.

> Nothing that I can see that will fit the round connector. I > called

> Country Coach and they said it was in the side compartment in

the

Quote
control console to the left of the driver's seat. I looked

again

Re: SilverLeaf VMSpc

Reply #12 –
Yahoo Message Number: 13831
Jim,

Don't you need the allison Plug so that Allison people can do their diagnostics the transmission electronics. The first time I took my coach in to Allison the reset the memory in the transmission electronics using that connector. I would like to get a recepticle that would match that plug then wire it to the VMS interface rather than cutting that connector off, I will talk with Silverleaf to see if they know where I can get a matching plug for the existing allison plug.

Thanks

Travman
11040

Quote from: Jim Hughes
Travman,

Since I wrote that post I have intergrated the VMSpc
successfully.

Quote
The round plug in my coach is only located to the aft bay on the > passenger bay where the fuel filters are located. The rectangle > plug under the dash is tied into the same ECM data stream system.
Since Sliverleaf did not provide any interface connector, I cut

off

Quote
their interface connector and tapped into the wiring. Works

great!

Quote
Especially while on a 3 month trip and the coolant temp sensor

went

Quote
out. I was able to monitor the temp using the VMSpc until I was > able to replace the sensor.

Jim

2000 Allure #30511

[quote author=travman100"

>

> Found the following post while reading old posts. I too am > > interested in getting the VMSpc for my rig and have not found a > > round plug in the area around the driver, has anyone found the > round

> plug or is everyone using the retangular plug use by Allison

folks

Quote
when checking electronics for the transmission? Also, have you > found

> the VMSpc a valuable addition? > >

> Travman

> 2000 Intrigue 11040
>
>

[quote author=kc4fws"

>]
> > Just received the VMSpc from SilverLeaf. I figured I would

get

Quote
the

> > interface cable with a connector that plugs into the

rectangular

Quote
12

> > pin dianogistic connector just above and to the left of the > > steering

> > column on the forward bulkhead. Receive the interface cable > with
> a

> > round 6 pin Deutsch connector. Round peg won't fit in

rectangle

Quote
> hole.
> >

> > I called Silver Leaf and they advised that all country Coaches > use

> > the round connector and it is somewhere in the front part of

the

Quote
> coach. I have looked under the dash, in the compartment in

the

Quote
left

> > control console, the compartment in the dash on the passenger > side

> > and even in the hydraulic/air service compartment below the > > driver.

> > Nothing that I can see that will fit the round connector. I > > called

> > Country Coach and they said it was in the side compartment in > the

> > control console to the left of the driver's seat. I looked > again
> and

> > see nothing. Anyone have any ideas or use the VMSpc on their > > coach?

> > Where is the darn connector? If it is not there how did you > > connect

> > it? SilverLeaf did not even send any schematics. For $400

you

Quote
would

> > expect a little more professionally manufactured interface

cable

Re: SilverLeaf VMSpc

Reply #13 –
Yahoo Message Number: 13834
Hi Jim,

Funny - my temperature sensor just quit also. A best buy - $3.50 from CCI.

Fred Kovol

Re: SilverLeaf VMSpc

Reply #14 –
Yahoo Message Number: 13838
I did not cut off the Allison plug. I cut off the VMSpc plug that came with it. I then stripped the wired and tapped into the Allison connector wiring without cutting any of its wiring.

If your coach is like mine, you do not have a round plug under the dash. I looked all over and then talked to CC and they confirmed, "NO Round Plug".

If you insist on using the VMSpc connector, then your only option is to build an adapter pigtail that will connect between the VMSpc round connector and the Allison rectangle connector. Of course, I think this is overkill and would recommend what I did.

Jim

2000 Allure #30511

Quote from: travman100
Jim,

Don't you need the allison Plug so that Allison people can do

their

Quote
diagnostics the transmission electronics. The first time I took my > coach in to Allison the reset the memory in the transmission > electronics using that connector. I would like to get a recepticle > that would match that plug then wire it to the VMS interface

rather

Quote
than cutting that connector off, I will talk with Silverleaf to

see

Quote
if they know where I can get a matching plug for the existing > allison plug.

Thanks

Travman
11040

[quote author=Jim Hughes"

>

> Travman,
>

> Since I wrote that post I have intergrated the VMSpc > successfully.

> The round plug in my coach is only located to the aft bay on the > > passenger bay where the fuel filters are located. The rectangle > > plug under the dash is tied into the same ECM data stream

system.

Quote
Since Sliverleaf did not provide any interface connector, I cut > off

> their interface connector and tapped into the wiring. Works > great!

> Especially while on a 3 month trip and the coolant temp sensor > went

> out. I was able to monitor the temp using the VMSpc until I was > > able to replace the sensor.
>
> Jim

> 2000 Allure #30511
>
>
>

[quote author=travman100"
>]
> >

> > Found the following post while reading old posts. I too am > > > interested in getting the VMSpc for my rig and have not found

a

Quote
> round plug in the area around the driver, has anyone found the > > round

> > plug or is everyone using the retangular plug use by Allison > folks

> > when checking electronics for the transmission? Also, have you > > found

> > the VMSpc a valuable addition? > > >

> > Travman

> > 2000 Intrigue 11040
> >
> >

[quote author=kc4fws"
>
> >]
> > > Just received the VMSpc from SilverLeaf. I figured I would > get
> > the

> > > interface cable with a connector that plugs into the > rectangular
> > 12

> > > pin dianogistic connector just above and to the left of the > > > steering

> > > column on the forward bulkhead. Receive the interface cable > > with
> > a

> > > round 6 pin Deutsch connector. Round peg won't fit in > rectangle
> > > hole.
> > >

> > > I called Silver Leaf and they advised that all country

Coaches

Quote
use

> > > the round connector and it is somewhere in the front part of > the

> > > coach. I have looked under the dash, in the compartment in > the

> > left

> > > control console, the compartment in the dash on the

passenger

Quote
side

> > > and even in the hydraulic/air service compartment below the > > > driver.

> > > Nothing that I can see that will fit the round connector. I > > > called

> > > Country Coach and they said it was in the side compartment

in

Quote
the

> > > control console to the left of the driver's seat. I looked > > again
> > and

> > > see nothing. Anyone have any ideas or use the VMSpc on

their