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Yahoo Message Number: 2810
Just a short note to introduce ourselves. We have a 03 Allure 36 ft. Sure found the info on the Hurricane interesting. Mine has been a parcel full of trouble. Stuck brushes in the water circulation pump. Overheating fault code on a regular basis. Spews out coolant over the top of the expansion tank.
Needless to say it is scheduled to be fixed at CC. How many of you adjust tire pressure based to weight vs leaving the tire pressure set to factory specs. What are the disadvantages/advantages.

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Yahoo Message Number: 2813
Hi Gary,

Make sure your list is complete and verify each day that what was fixed is really fixed. Have a positive attitude, be strong and cheerful - do not get mad or lose your temper. Schedule more than 1 week if the list is long. CC works on time scheduled and if they do not finish up, you get bumped as other coaches are scheduled after you.

As for tire pressures, they leave the factory at max pressure for liability purposes. For Toyo, use the tables in the tire book using the weight provided on the sheet provided in the folder at delivery and add 300# for each wheel as a rule of thumb for average loads. Do not go below 85# as side wall strength becomes a factor. I could run at 65# per the tables.
OR to be more accurate with the tanks full and your added items, get it tire weighed, then go to the tables. There is another method, where you weigh more than one tire at a time - it's in the tire book.
For 36, 40 and 45 ft rigs, max pressure maybe what the tables call for.
Fred Kovol

--- Gary Wallstrom gwallstrom@...> wrote:

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Just a short note to introduce ourselves. We have a > 03 Allure 36 ft. Sure

found the info on the Hurricane interesting. Mine > has been a parcel full of

trouble. Stuck brushes in the water circulation > pump. Overheating fault code

on a regular basis. Spews out coolant over the top > of the expansion tank.

Needless to say it is scheduled to be fixed at CC.
How many of you adjust

tire pressure based to weight vs leaving the tire > pressure set to factory

specs. What are the disadvantages/advantages.
Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com

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Yahoo Message Number: 2817
Gary,

The best way to tell how to inflate your tires is go to an FMCA rally and get a 4 point or 6 point weigh depending on whether you have a tag axle. Have you water, gas, and diesel tank full, holding tanks empty ( although I had my holding tanks half full) and have all your personal stuff in coach including wife or partner. Then you will know how to inflate your tires and the scale company will give you the pressures required. Use the same tire pressure for each set of axles and use the pressure for the higher weight side. Give yourself a higher margin of error, say 5 pounds. We run our fronts at 115 and our 6 rears at 105. On the front we have Michellin steer tires and they run very nicely at 115, on the rear we could run at 90 but I like the higher margin of error. Our tires run cool, never over 130 degrees and they wear very well. Until you do this stay at 120#.
Each coach is different and you need to do this to be sure. The RV industry has had lots of tire problems the last 3 years and CC is being extra cautious. American Eagle had several deaths a few years ago from people running low air pressure. Better to have a harder ride until you know what your weight is. Last but not least never go more then 5 years on a set of tires no matter how good they look. The uva rays kill the side walls and weaken the tires. Most of the people I know with a tire problems have them in their 6th year.

Take care, Bill G. 2001 Magna

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Yahoo Message Number: 2821
Fred/Gary

Back in July I put a copy of the Toyo Tire Pressure Tables in the file section. One is the PDF file from the Toyo website and the other file is a retype of the table in Excel format.

Fred I am curious, does the tire book have anything different in it as far as adjusting pressure than what is contained in the tables? E#ither I misplaced the my tire book or never received it with my coach. I have the 12R 22.5 Toyo's.

Jim Hughes

Jacksonville, FL

2000 Allure 40' Chandler #30511

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Yahoo Message Number: 2829
Hi Jim,

Since I never looked at the .pdf file, I can't comment. I would say that the book is the better choice - suggest you call Toyo to get a current copy.
That's what I would do.
Fred Kovol

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Fred/Gary

Back in July I put a copy of the Toyo Tire Pressure > Tables in the

file section. One is the PDF file from the Toyo > website and the

other file is a retype of the table in Excel format.

Fred I am curious, does the tire book have anything > different in it

as far as adjusting pressure than what is contained > in the tables?

E#ither I misplaced the my tire book or never > received it with my

coach. I have the 12R 22.5 Toyo's.

Jim Hughes

Jacksonville, FL

2000 Allure 40' Chandler #30511
Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com

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Yahoo Message Number: 2832
Really appreciate your input both on the CC service experience and tire pressure. Thanks, Gary Wallstrom

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Yahoo Message Number: 2880
-I just returned from the FMCA rallies in Hutchinson and Claremore ( six-states rally)and had my coach weighed at all six points with fuel and water full and "stuff" the spouse and I usually carry.. I had been carrying 120 frt and tag and 110 rear duals. Lo and behold, the actual weight using Toro's chart calls for 85 front and 70 rear and tag. The rear and tag fell below Toyo's minimum so I am using the lowest pressure they call for. Some difference in the ride!!

Walt Rothermel
2003Allure30811

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Yahoo Message Number: 2882
Gary, I just read abpout your problems with the Hurricane unit. I too have a 2003 Allure and it is in the shop at Buddy Gregg's in Dallas because of the Hurricane. Mine has been trouble since day one, with the latest being it just refused to run more than 15-20 seconds. They replaced the fuel pump and then found only one of the electric heaters is working. I had to come on home (200 miles ) and leave my coach so they could get parts.I have tried to get the whole furnace replaced due to all of the problems I've had with it, but noone is willing to do it. Also, I saw where someone from Hurricane said the coolant feeds off of the engine coolant system---this is definitely not true on the Allure, as mine ran dry and they added a reservoir. I just hope these Hurricane problems don't turn me sour on the coach as I am very fond of it otherwise.

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Yahoo Message Number: 2883
Tom,I did have a problem--it ws not programed when I took delivery. I was told to call Les Schwab in Junction City for help. They walked me through it very easily.=, and I now can follow the instructions myself. Good luck.

Walt Rothermel
2003Allure30811

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Yahoo Message Number: 2884
Every buyer of the Smart Tire system should assume that it is NOT programmed and double check to see that it is done properly. Mine was not programmed I thought it was functioning correctly until I took some good advise (thanks again, Damon) and had my coach weighed, adjusted my tire pressure and sought help in re-programming.

Dick May

2002 Intrigue, #11438
Dick May
2002 Intrigue, #11438, towing a
2014 Jeep Gr Cherokee ecoDiesel

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Yahoo Message Number: 2886
Just be careful of lowering the front or steering wheels below 100. When I had my tires lowered based on weights, I went to Les Schwab, and they said no matter what the front or steer tires need at least 100 due to the stress on the sidewalls. That was OK with me because that still took 20 lbs per tire out. The rear we reset at 95. They didn't really want to go that low, but I convinced them.

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Yahoo Message Number: 2889
I find Schwab's advice very confusing. I had my coach weighed at all six points, went to the Toyo table and found that even by adding five pounds I should carry 85psi front and 70psi rear duals and tag. This table is put out by the tire mfg. and I should think would be reliable. Now Schwab seems to be arbitrarily saying don't go under 100psi in the front tires. I have never heard that said at any tire seminars or by the Aweigh We Go people who weighed my coach. I guess what I will do is inflate all tires per the weight table and watch the temperature per Smart Tire, except of course for the tag which S T doesn't monitor.

Walt Rothermel
2003Allure30811

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Yahoo Message Number: 2890
Likewise, I am also confused by this since we recently underwent a safety recall program by CC to replace the decal that indicates required tire pressures on our coach. The new decal for the 2000 Intrigue, Gourmet on the Road model, requires 120 PSI in all four rear tires and 125 PSI in the front.

These figures are so different from the 70 and 85 PSI figures you have been given, that I have to believe someone else is also seriously confused. CC made a very strenuous effort to reach all affected owners, including follow-on owners of re-sold coaches, just to provide a new sticker indicating a few PSI difference from the original decal. I am sure this effort is mandated by penalty of law by the Federal Government to ensure that safety concerns are aggressively pursued, but this being the case, I am sticking with the decal recommendations unless some one can provide me with authorative evidence that I need to do something different.

Peter

Britannia Inc.
1-800-274-5245

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Yahoo Message Number: 2893
As recommended in a previous message I called Jon @ Les Schwab. Gave him my current weights based on going thru a weigh stattion here in Oregon. He responded very quickly. Told me to go with 85lbs in the front and 85lbs in the rear duals. He also gave me instructions on how to reprogram the Smart Tire. It all worked very smoothly. The diffference in ride and handling(less wandering) is noticeable. Gary "03 Allure 30872

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Yahoo Message Number: 2894
Thanks, Gary--Since Jon is the authority CC always refers to at Les Schwab, I wonder who it was that told Joseph to always maintain at least 100psi in the front tires..I hope you're enjoying your 03 Allure as much as I enjoy mine.

Walt Rothermel
2003Allure30811

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Yahoo Message Number: 2895
Joseph, I guess I had a senior moment thinking you got a bum steer from Les Schwab since I don't know what size tires you have. If they are 12/22.5 then I think they did give you a bum steer but if you have the 275/70/22.5 low profiles I think anyone would agree not to go below 100psi in the front. There have been alot of blowouts due to underinflation of those " low profile" tires.

It's helpful when signing off to give the year and model of your coach then we're on the same page. No lecture intended.

Walt Rothermel
2003Allure30811

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Yahoo Message Number: 2903
Thanks for the advice. I have an 03 Allure. I know the tires are 22.5's but I have no idea if they are "low profile" or not. The Les Schwab was at Seaside, ORE. and they do a lot of truck business, not too many RV's . It sounded like good advice, and it can't hurt anything. I still have a lot of problems with ruts and wandering. Do you have any problems with that? Thanks,
Joe

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Yahoo Message Number: 2915
With a 2003 Allure you definitely don't have low profile tires. I haven't had the wandering problem you refer to---you might have an alignment problem.

Walt Rothermel

2003Allure30811